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Important is diplomacy right now when you think about an administration that really seems to want to boost up the kind of war-making ability and decrease the investment in diplomacy? >> well, i mean, the military or r t are the first people to tell us that is a mistake from a military angle. secretary mattis said "if you defund the state department you have to buy me more bullets" even then we can't win wars militarily so it's hurtful. it's destructive from a military point of view but much more importantly there are things we have to do diplomatically. we have to work with russia. we have to ...

About sort of how you think about international relations and diplomat any this age, in this very networked age in which there's a sort of non-hierarchical institutions and categories all over the police and, you know, how important is state and how important is diplomacy right now when you think about an administration that really seems to want to boost up the kind of war-making ability and decrease the investment in diplomacy? >> well, i mean, the military or are the first people to tell us that is a mistake from a military angle. secretary mattis said "if you defund the state department you...

Second point is the one that sticks with me. even if we decided this is the right thing to do, what if it goes wrong? where is plan b? president obama has said a number of times his goal in attacking syria would be to deter assad using chemical weapons again, degrade his war-making ability and finally to send a message to the world. all that's fine if plan a works. what if plan a doesn't work? what if as saud says next day, i'm not deterred. that pinprick won't stop me. what if he doesn't degrade forces? nobody is talking about destroying chemical weapons. they're talking about limited attacks...