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So when you look at the incarceration rate, you look at who gets suspended and expelled, who gets the alternative sentence, the data is just the same and it is all against the same folk that people think the system is fair, and they don't understand why people keep trying to make it a racial issue. >> they're not hanging out in criminal courtrooms. just spend any amount of time in a criminal courtroom, and you see who the prosecutors are prosecuting. i spend virtually every day in state criminal courtrooms, and less in federal. but in state criminal courtrooms and it's a revolving door for peo...

The system. the system is all there is. how does one -- where do we go from here? >> i've been asking myself that question since this verdict that i think most people know i was stunned by. i think it was my naivety. i come from a law enforcement background. i was one of those prosecutors on the front lines and i saw this case as very race neutral. it was not an element of the crime. and i relied upon the justice system to see what i saw, which was a second degree murder case. as a mother of a brown boy, i struggled with that. what do i tell him now, when this case first broke, his question to...

Shoes of that black boy. here we are at such a magnificent anniversary of martin luther king's dream. we've lost our way. we've lost our heart for each other. i think it's more than a conversation. some of it is structural. and some of it is staying vigilant, watching out for others. >> there's a lot of people who do not see this as a problem. >> in my world, everybody saw this as open and shut. they were like, a boy went to the store and somebody killed him and that was wrong and they should be punished, and it was so clear. he was unarmed, he was doing nothing. so we're all sitting there say...

>> there's a war on brown people and they use drugs. >> drugs is a problem. >> i think there are a lot of white people that hear that and will be shocked by that. you really believe there is a war on brown people? >> i'll give you an example of this. >> cocaine was -- when it was in the black community, we had the most draconian laws. as soon as cocaine started to get into the white, middle class community, all of a sudden you could get diversion and dej, which is deferred entry. >> just look at marijuana which more kids use, and you realize usage rate, every time that they do polling, they us...

Last thing you would do. when the police show up, they're not necessarily on your side. you have never seen the police show up and they be on your side. so the idea that the first person you would think would be the police, it's not what you would think. >> saturday night i get a call and it said police officer on my cell phone. he's pulled over my 19-year-old son. and he's asked him, i want to talk to your dad. can you ever imagine getting a phone call from a police officer saying i'm concerned? i'm fortunate that's what you would want. >> our second oldest boy, when he was about trayvon's ag...