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Years ago i read is it i learned an awful lot it is a very, very compelling book heather. heather one of the things that thomas saul said about your book is this is a book that can salas save lives got me to thinking all of this attack on the police, all of this attempt to degrade the cops the systemically racist in which we know as a matter of fact is a lie -- all of the talk from democrattings and media types and athletes that -- that the cops want to stop cars with black people for the purposes of harassing them and killing them -- what is going to happen in these communities where you have...

Because of this problem instead we should address it head-on and say it is not racist to be colorblind. mark: heather mcdonald thank you for your courage excellent book the book war on cops which is really a seminal book and we wish you all of the best. >> thank you so much, mark. mark: we'll be right back. ..