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jens stoltenberg was speaking as leaders of nato countries prepare to meet at a summit in madrid on tuesday. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i'm stephen sackur. what i find funny, you might find offensive. comedy challenges taste and convention and it can rouse strong reaction, as we saw at this year's 0scars when a joke earned comedian chris rock a slap in the face from the actor will smith. my guest today has spent more than 25 years finding laughs in sometimes unlikely places. 0mid djalili was born in london to iranian parents. he has thrived as a cross cultur...

in sometimes unlikely places, omid djalili was born in london to iranian parents. he has thrived as a cross culture comedic chameleon, but is it possible to be funny without being mean? omid djalili, welcome to hardtalk. stephen sackur, my friend, my fellow presenter in the business of show, man who is so unbelievably good looking and thin that he walks into snooker hall, they start chalking his head. i am so happy to be here, this is one of my favourite shows. well, if you carry on like that, this won't be an interview, it will be a monologue! let me ask you this, you have been doin...

Make a point so that is authentically me, and the more authentic you can be, the more powerful the comedy is. can you be authentic? can you be your genuine funny self in a culture today which some comedians say is so full of sort of correctness, of wokery, even cancel culture? to quote bill maher, the american late—night comedian, there is a war onjokes. do you think there is war onjokes? a little bit, yes, but also, i think if a comedian is clever, they can navigate it in a way. i will give you an example, stephen, coming from the comedy clubs where it was very bang, bang, bang. you've got ...

To which you think comedy suits you better because it is more honest, and i wonder what you mean by honesty in that sense? i think honesty is the most important one. it is the foundation of all virtues, and i think that certainly in comedy, authenticity is the most important thing. and that is what i... when i watch comedy, when i see a comedian being authentic, that is when i laugh the most. comedy is notjust about... for me, funny is never the end, you use funny to make a point, so now that i am in my mid 50s, i am using comedy to make a point so that is authentically me, and the more authen...

Powerful the comedy is. can you be authentic? can you be your genuine funny self in a culture today which some comedians say is so full of sort of correctness, of wokery, even cancel culture, to quote bill maher, the american late—night comedian, there is a war onjokes. do you think there is war onjokes? a little bit, yes, but also, i think if the comedian is clever, they can navigated in a way. i will give you an example, stephen, coming from the comedy clubs where it was very bang, bang, bang. i will give you an example, stephen, coming from the comedy clubs where it was very bang, bang, b...