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They're supporting isis, funding them. we're caught in the middle of a war between the shiite and the sunnis. we've got to realize, let's let them fight this war out. let's not put more american troops in and let's not be a proxy air force for iran. >> let's say we do that, let them fight it out. it doesn't seem reich there's anybody for us to root for. if the world emerges from this with a group that stems across syria into iraq and who knows how far beyond, and one of the mission wills be to kill americans with you can bet on it, at what point do we intervene? then then go to jordan? how big...

Out of control but i remain optimistic that's not going to happen. i think what we learn from the story of human cultural revolution, while we can't wish war out of existence like the song suggests, we are looking to respond to changes in the pay-off, changes in the environment. and the environment is one that just makes large-scale wars really bad for everybody and that's why we've seen this decline. >> thank goodness we can end on an optimistic note. pleasure to have you here. >> thank you. next up, what's wrong with washington politics? some might say, where would you like to begin? my ne...

Service dogs helping out wounded veterans, but it does make the task more difficult because you want to be telling stories that help you sell newspapers, attract viewers and right now the american people and obviously i think this is not a good thing, the american people have largely tuned this war out. >> and there are excellent sources for the information you're describing but it's hard to find because people tune it out. thank you for joining me on this. >> thank you, brian. >> time for a quick break. when i come back a moral dilemma for journalists. why don't we call it what it is. >> a ch...

No relationship with the military. and what does come through loud and clear in this book is the distrust and the long knifes that were out, the infighting between the civilian side, the white house aides, the political former campaign aides and the military brass. >> well, here's another quote. when senator lindsey graham asked the president if the july, 2011 withdraw was firm, the president said "i have to say that i can't let this be a war out end and i can't lose the whole democratic party." again, the president admitting he had an outside window he couldn't continue through. let me go bac...

I mean, part of what i think is so tragic is that this was a tremendous opportunity for the country -- not just president trump, but for the country to finally give due credit to people who helped to win this war. those code talkers, any other language, the japanese and germans were prepared to break the code, mathematically they were prepared to break the code. these navajo code talkers were the only people who were able to get communication in that war, they saved hundreds of thousands of american lives. iwo jima was won because of them, they've never been truly honored. today was that day. ...