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by the military people to always hook the civilian leader into something that is going to drag them into a wider war. he seems to be a student of history, if not instinct here. he doesn't want to be captured by the people who are supposedly taking his orders. >> that's right. and i think right now, you really see that the december review is very likely now to be the -- be the first time that we get the -- that we start hearing about what the framework of what july 2011 really means. right now, july 2011 and that deadline means a lot of things to a lot of people. everybody seems to take what they want to hear from it, right? the military guys take from it, well, it is conditions based. well, some in the president's base and in the democratic party who don't want us to be there very long take it as, well, at least there is an end date. i think in december, we are now going to get a clearer picture of what july 2011 is. frankly, you can just -- tell from this book the president's instinct is that that july 2011
>> you know, the one that really surprised me, frankly, all the jim jones stuff, you have been hearing chatter about that for a long time. the most surprising thing was the apparent distrust between the secretary of defense gates and jim jones' deputy, tom donelan, the fact that there is not a lot of trust there, because tom donelan is seen as somebody very trusted by the president, could be a replacement -- >> that one surprised me. that one surprised me, tom donelan a great guy. you know, very quickly, chris, i do think that this book, you see the steve ratner book, people leaving the administration, boy, i think you are going to start seeing the next six months, you are going to hear a lot of anonymous quotes, a lot more reporting about hand-wringing inside the west wing because the distrust between the staffers now. they see what somebody else said to woodward and they are going to feel like, you know what i will talk to reporters now. >> god, this is like the cherokee strip, isn't it? racing to get the first -- the first homestead out there.
thing is a lot more real than maybe was hinted at when they first rolled it out. >> but then again -- >> joe biden. i want to get to a couple of points, sorry, andrea. joe biden made a point this deadline is real a quote from joe biden in the book. a quote in joe biden's box. everybody talks out of school, i work here. there is a lot of kibbitzing any place you work, don't want to be held to it. bob woodward around, somebody will quote you and you are nailed for life, because as long as that other person lives, that book is on their shelf with your quote in it. here is joe biden talking about richard holbrooke the special afpak envoy. "he's the most egotistical bastard i've ever met." these kind of quotes. petraeus referring to david axelrod, the president's spin doctor. he called him a complete spin doctor. i guess that is what you are supposed to call a spin doctor. but a lot of these quotes are they going to cause trouble politically and in terms of policy or are they just the usual, as i said, kibbitzing? andrea? >> i think inside the white house and we should point out
mirrors what's happened so far on the economic team. >> chuck, you surprised by the bad blood here inside? >> you know, the one that really surprised me, frankly, all the jim jones stuff, you have been hearing chatter about that for a long time. the most surprising thing was the apparent distrust between the secretary of defense gates and jim jones' deputy, tom donelan, the fact that there is not a lot of trust there, because tom donelan is seen as somebody very trusted by the president, could be a replacement -- >> that one surprised me. that one surprised me, tom donelan a great guy. you know, very quickly, chris, i do think that this book, you see the steve ratner book, people leaving the administration, boy, i think you are going to start seeing the next six months, you are going to hear a lot of anonymous quotes, a lot more reporting about hand-wringing inside the west wing because the distrust between the staffers now.
what you see in the book is that he felt trapped by being in afghanistan. he had campaigned against the war in iraq. afghanistan and the commitment there was really the exit strategy from iraq. it was clear to the military you couldn't do both. afghanistan is where they felt, because of the importance of pakistan, as chuck correctly points out, and india as well, the whole region, the war on terror, it made sense but strategically, it made sense, but still is not an easy thing to do militarily and it is very clear at he is aware going in that it is not something you can be do in a year or two. and so one would ask, if you have loved ones there, you know, why are we going to be any better off a year or two years or three years from now than we are right now? and there is no good answer to that. >> well, the preside told the chairman of the joint chiefs, mike mullin, and general petraeus and secretary gates, "in 2010, we will not be having a conversation about how to do more. i will not want to hear, quote, we're doing fine, mr. president, but we'd be belt fer we just do more. we are not going to be having conversation about how to change the mission." so he has basically said, unless he went on, we're talking about how to draw down faster than anticipated.
from this book the president's instinct is that that july 2011 thing is a lot more real than maybe was hinted at when they first rolled it out. >> but then again -- >> joe biden. i want to get to a couple of points, sorry, andrea. joe biden made a point this deadline is real a quote from joe biden in the book. a quote in joe biden's box. everybody talks out of school, i work here. there is a lot of kibbitzing any place you work, don't want to be held to it. bob woodward around, somebody will quote you and you are nailed for life, because as long as that other person lives, that book is on their shelf with your quote in it. here is joe biden talking about richard holbrooke the special afpak envoy. "he's the most egotistical bastard i've ever met." these kind of quotes. petraeus referring to david axelrod, the president's spin doctor. he called him a complete spin doctor. i guess that is what you are supposed to call a spin doctor. but a lot of these quotes are they going to cause trouble politically and in terms of
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>> you know, the one that really surprised me, frankly, all the jim jones stuff, you have been hearing chatter about that for a long time. the most surprising thing was the apparent distrust between the secretary of defense gates i and jim jones' deputy, tom donelan, the fact that there is not a lot of trust there, because tom donelan is seen as somebody very trusted by the president, could be a replacement -- >> that one surprised me, tom donelan a great guy. you know, very quickly, chris, i do think that this book, you see the steve ratner book, people leaving the administration, boy, i think you are going to start seeing the next six months, you are going to hear a lot of anonymous quote, a lot more reporting about happened wringing inside the west wing because the distrust between staffers now. they see what somebody else said to woodward and they are going to feel like, you know what i will talk to reporters now. >> god, this is like the cherokee strip, isn't it? racing to get the first -- the first homestead out there.
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