thing is a lot more real than maybe was hinted at when they first rolled it out. >> but then again -- >> joe biden. i want to get to a couple of points, sorry, andrea. joe biden made a point this deadline is real a quote from joe biden in the book. a quote in joe biden's box. everybody talks out of school, i work here. there is a lot of kibbitzing any place you work, don't want to be held to it. bob woodward around, somebody will quote you and you are nailed for life, because as long as that other person lives, that book is on their shelf with your quote in it. here is joe biden talking about richard holbrooke the special afpak envoy. "he's the most egotistical bastard i've ever met." these kind of quotes. petraeus referring to david axelrod, the president's spin doctor. he called him a complete spin doctor. i guess that is what you are supposed to call a spin doctor. but a lot of these quotes are they going to cause trouble politically and in terms of policy or are they just the usual, as i said, kibbitzing? andrea? >> i think inside the white house and we should point out