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That gadhafi should be gone and a military goal that is not aiming at that? is war policy by other means and is it conceivable to have the sort of not just conceptual divide between those things but actually an operational divide between the two things, to try to get gadhafi out bhy yowod dothat. if in ft our policy is that gadhafi must go, then you've got the military in there, they are bombin they are doing what the military does to tell them, but don't try to further r policy, c dve a semi you can really through here. the other thing frankly is that we may be talking semantics when we talk ...

Is war policy by other means and is it conceivable to have the sort of not just conceptual divide between those things but actually an operational divide between the two things, to try to get gadhafi out by any means other than what the military is doing? >> i don't see it, maybe it is possible, but i don't see why you would do that. if in fact our policy is that gadhafi must go, then you've got the military in there, they are bombing, they are doing what the military does to tell them, but don't try to further our policy, i don't think you can really separate those two, and that's kind of the...

If some other military objectives were achieved? >> well, i can understand the case for not using military means to pursue regime change, but my point is that if we are to fulfill what the president says is the nato mission, is the mission that our military is pursuing, which is to protect civilians from the deprivations gadhafi will inflict, then i don't know how you do that and still leave him in charge. >> does it make sense to have a difference between a u.s. policy that gadhafi should be gone and a military goal that is not aiming at that? is war policy by other means and is it conceivabl...

To kick his butt. that was my translation, and it was going to feel great. i'll take it. the power of the net roots. i look at the numbers. i don't think they have a majority of the democratic party that are really that liberal or that left, if you will. i don't mind the word "left," if you will. i hope they don't. but they do have intensity and the question is does their intensity give them power to knock off another senator they don't like because of war policy or economic policy? >> certainly possible. the thing with the net roots is they may be a little more liberal than the entirety of th...

Challenge is going to have to come from us. it's going to have to come from americans. and alas, that's not going to happen until americans come to appreciate all of the consequences of our misguided wars. some of those consequences are moral. some of those consequents are fiscal. i think some of those consequences are strategic. alas, in this open-ended military project that began after 9/11, the american people have pretty much checked out of the net, you know? very few of us sacrificed. not too many of us serve. none of us are even asked to pony up the money to pay for these wars. that just...