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Collapse, everyone was advising president bush to just cut his losses and get out. everyone. the pentagon, the cia, the congress, including republican members of congress were urging president bush to pull back. members of his father's administration were counseling this. the baker-hamilton commission. we can go down the list. and he basically took a decision that just about only he and general petraeus actually advocated for, which was this surge strategy. i think americans learned a lot from this dramatic transformation our foreign policyholders in iraq, the model for our war strategy in afg...

Bush's foreign policy over the last couple of years has lived on and served as the basis for this administration's war strategy is not inconsequential and some sort of acknowledgement of that is what i would suggest. >> larry: michael, in retrospect we wouldn't go there tomorrow, would we? >> i don't think so. at least i would hope not. dan has put his neck on the line in his time in iraq as well. i think though the idea the surge, okay, president bush got 18 months of the 7 1/2 year war right, or at least half right at least. we still haven't come out with a solution. that's not very likely. ...

And in 2006, the degree to which we were so close as michael knows firsthand, the degree to which we were so close to defeat at the end of 2006, we really were on the cusp of complete collapse, everyone was advising president bush to just cut his losses and get out. everyone. the state department. the pentagon, the cia, the congress, including republican members of congress were urging president bush to pull back. members of his father's administration were counseling this. the baker-hamilton commission. we can go down the list. and he basically took a decision that just about only he and gene...

Get a cessation for a while of violence. but they were right in the end. it did not -- look at the government in iraq. you have a rosy picture of it. there isn't one. so the surge did not produce the political progress that everybody hoped for. >> but the sunnis, as robert gibbs said, the sunnis are involved in politics today and involved in the political process today and they were rejectionists in iraq and the sunni aweakening happens in part because we had the resources on the ground but the sunni leaders and our military in general petraeus said it had begun on its own but if we didn't pro...

Of north carolina area with two days before you will feel that. >>shepard: thank you, we will watch it constantly. thank you. insurgent attacks kill five american troops today in afghanistan. that brings the total number of u.s. casuals to 19 in the country since sunday. this comes as senator john mccain who lost his bid for the white house levels new criticism at the white house war strategy. he made the comment in an op-ed piece in the wall street journal owned by the paint company of this network and he is running for senate. and we hear a new assessment of the military strategy in afghanis...