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He says there are sounds, for those who can hear them, of the preliminary and muffled drumbeats of war. do you think he's ahead of his skis on this or is this something there? >> there's certainly something there. there's too much war talk. you hear that from senior white house officials, h.r. mcmaster, you hear it from voices outside of the administration in washington saying we really only got two choices, acceptance of north korea's nuclear weapons program or actually striking them. what we've been hearing is, yeah, we have to go in and take them out. i think that's wrong. there's other thi...

The atlantic which was titled, waiting for the bomb to drop. it's a very stark recounting of what he thinks is going on. he says, there are sounds for those who can hear them of the preliminary and muffled drumbeats of war. do you think he's ahead of his skis on this or is there something there? >> well, there is certainly something there. there is too much war talk. you hear that from senior administration officials. for instance, h.r. mcmaster, national security advisor. you hear voices outside the administration in washington saying really we only have two choices. acceptance of north korea...

Elliott cohen who was a bush staffer, had an article out in the atlantic which was titled "waiting for the bomb to drop." it's a stark recounting of what he thinks is going on. he says there are sounds, for those who can hear them, of the preliminary and muffled drumbeats of war. do you think he's ahead of his skis on this or is this something there? >> there's certainly something there. there's too much war talk. you hear that from senior white house officials, h.r. mcmaster, you hear it from voices outside of the administration in washington saying we really only got two choices, acceptance ...

Policy is to cut off the flows of money. that's a sound policy. the problem has been poor implementati implementation, the vigor has gone out of the sanctions campaign. that's why we're hearing more and more war talk. that's really frightening. you talk about the tweet on tuesday evening, that's frightening, but also frightening what other people in washington are saying. >> gordon chang whose friends i imagine ask him every day are we going to die of nuclear war today. >> no, my wife asks that. >> even better, gordon chang. good to have an expert on talking about this and keeping us calm. we ...

Flows of money. that's a sound policy. the problem is poor implementation in the last couple months. the vigor has gone out of the sanctions campaign. that's why we're hearing more and more war talk and that is really frightening. you talk about the tweet on tuesday evening. yeah, that's frightening. but it's also frightening what other people in washington are saying. >> gordon chang, whose friends i imagine ask him every day, are we going to die of nuclear war today or tomorrow. >> my wife asks. >> always good to have an expert on talking about this and keeping us calm. we appreciate it. viv...