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Star than world leader, are destabilizeing at a time when we need his focused leadership. >> senator coons, catty kay here. we hear a lot about the idea we are sleep walking towards a confrontation, that the war talk is being ratcheted up. but what are you seeing specifically is there anything that you see is on the military side with north korea that is happening now that is particularly concerned, we are getting closest to a military conflict? anything concrete? >> catty, that's what makes it possible for me to sleep at night is that i don't see us taking military steps to prepare with a maj...

Missiles and they can upset the status quo in much more consequential ways than they could before. >> shepard: when kim jong-un hears only one thing will work and it's clear that one thing is not diplomacy because the president said it hasn't worked for 25 years, how is that taken? how if at all does it change the equation? >> there's one way for anyone, including kim jong-un to take that. that is basically trump is saying only war is going to work. that is contradictory. the president has this really good policy, as i mentioned about strangling the regime. it can work over time. but you know,...

Korea. he sent out a tweet today referring to the leader of north korea as rocket man. he seems to undermine his own policy of economic sanctions. calling them not a big deal. suggesting they're not going to change course. is that helping de-escalate the situation or driving us more to confrontation? >> it's sending mixed messages. rocket man was sort of funny, but this has gotten to be less than the laughing matter recently. even though kim jong un does sort of strike us as being weird and odd. the problem right now is that you have sanctions sort of, you know, we have seen nine set of sancti...

World as it is. but that's not the way the world should be. we don't want to use force. that would be horrific. and we ought to try everything we possibly can before we start talking as she's talking about. war talk is really premature. >> what the north koreans are doing here, this is not the first time we've seen a provocation like this. they are well aware of the basic military capability of the united states. well aware of the united states relationship with south korea. is this a statement every time they do something like that right now that they just don't believe we mean it when we say...

Diplomacy. that's consistent with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said in july, there's only a few more months for diplomacy. we're seeing a point in the administration where they're starting to think now is a time to pivot to something for coercive. >> what could that entail? >> it could entail the use of force. but i think ambassador haley is wrong. yes, the security council looks like it won't go further on sanctions but that's only because the united states has not put a lot of pressure on china. until we do that we're not going to give the chinese an incentive to help us at the ...