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Not been front and center on it, that they've been treating it at arm a's length and not really yes, sir -- addressing any of the situations that have blown up in their face about a it including that notorious, you know, nonwhipping/whipping incident that, obviously, was at the center of conversation for a couple of days before the truth came out. i think that this is really a sad occurrence in the sense that the president has been ignoring this problem even as it's the increased to levels that have been unprecedented particularly with the flow of drugs from from mexico and from the southern b...

Little disappointed. >> sorry, i can disappoint people sometimes. >> lawrence: the last story, the beloved -- police it was vandalized on new year's day. the statue was cut down from the stand around 3:30 in the morning. big potato was installed in october of 2021 and quickly became a favorite tourist spot for folks. what do you think? >> i think it makes sense that it was cut down at 3:30 a.m. on new year's day. i'm guessing that some people who did this or probably not sober people. they drank and then there's drinking and it's fun and then they crossed over into it's fun to i'm so drunk i t...

The other thing i think is increasingly important is that the rhetoric has changed from simply being about self-defense to a kind of preemptive self-defense. quickly, if you think about what ties rittenhouse, zimmerman with the trayvon martin case, and the death of ahmaud arbery together is that all three of these incidents involved people who were going out to protect property that was not theirs. >> yes. >> so this is fundamentally about the idea that you can construe self-defense to mean anything. >> yes. >> you can proactively pursue people and still say you were defending yourself. >> jel...

Self-defense to mean anything. and you can proactively pursue people and still say you were defending yourself. >> jelani cobb and linda chavez, thank you for sharing your perspective. i really appreciate it. you remember that bizarre video that surfaced from police body cam that we played on the show? it showed one of the weirdest stories of the past few years. a publicist for kanye was attempting to strong arm a georgia election worker into falsely claiming election fraud so that donald trump can steal the election. it now appears that that incident was exactly what it looked like. and we ju...

>> shannon: again, the one told the police he punched her in the face and later ran her over with the carpet she try to get away from him. the prosecutor set the bail at $1,000 and he made that and got out november 11th. and the bail recommendation, not consistent with the approach of milwaukee county district attorney's office towards matters with violent crime nor consistent with the risk assessment to setting bail. jim, sounds like we got this one wrong. >> this is abject failure, shannon. the bottom line is bail is supposed to be decided on not just risk of flight bit dangerous to the comm...