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He didn't misspeak by telling the truth, the point is -- kevin you make it very good point, look. crime is bad. black crime, if we are only looking at black crime and not talking about white crime for the moment of this conversation, we have to get a handle on all violence. we have to talk about how to make it so that it's more lucrative to go and get a job. let's make jobs available so that it's not more advantageous to gang bang and be in a gang. >> we are missing the point, he's making a point that -- look, this is a guy that is been forced not to look at color his entire life. >> literally...

He didn't misspeak by telling the truth. the point is, and kevin you make a very good point. look, crime is bad. black crime, we're only looking at black crime and not talking about white crime for the moment of this conversation. you know, we have to get a handle on all violence. we have to talk about how to make it so that it's more lucrative to go and get a job. let's make jobs available so that it's not more advantageous to gang bang and be in a gang. >> but you're missing the point. what stevie, making a point, this is a guy who's been forced not to look at color his entire life. >> tucke...

He didn't misspeak by telling the truth, the point is -- kevin you make it very good point, look. crime is bad. black crime, if we are only looking at black crime and not talking about white crime for the moment of this conversation, we have to get a handle on all violence. we have to talk about how to make it so that it's more lucrative to go and get a job. let's make jobs available so that it's not more advantageous to gang bang and be in a gang. >> we are missing the point, he's making a point that -- look, this is a guy that is been forced not to look at color his entire life. >> literally...