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Martha: a report shows the white house was acutely aware the ils wanted to -- the irs wanted to crack down on conservative groups. the irs treated tea party applications different live. applications filed by tea party groups were identified, grouped due to media attention of the tea party in general. joining me, congressman darrell issa is chairman of the government oversight and government reform committee. thank you for being here. >> thanks for covering this important issue. clearly free speech was attacked by the irs, that's what our report shows and that's what the public needs to know. m...

Connection or directive that came from the white house to separate these groups for more intense scrutiny. >> when the president shook his finger and chastised the supreme court in the well of the house over citizens united, he began a process of making it very clear that he had a problem with the court's interpretation of free speech. as he and others began to show their -- that they were offended by what the tea party was saying, hard in, he respected free speech if prove tbressives said it but not if conservatives said it because that was hate speech. that set up a situation the irs was sym...

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Who was sort of guiding this group in cincinnati? because as you are well aware, it's the irs's contention and lois lerner's contention and the white house's contention these were rogue agents. you heard what the president said he doesn't like these groups and we need to separate them out. >> lois lerner took the fifth. she was pivotal to this. she was at the center of it all. we intend to have her back. and recognize the committee voted she waived her amendment rights. she wasn't alone. one of the challenges we are going to have is to get each of the individuals in, all of whom appear to be i...