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I know because i tore it down. and he did. >> is that right? >> he was working for the power plant and they wanted to get rid of it and sent them out one night to tear it down. >> wow. >> i felt i owed him one. >> so a big phony. the more things change the more they stay the same in politics. >> totally. he was the first manufactured candidate. and then he gave that speech after his inauguration so that was the story. >> he really wasn't a poor soldier? >> oh, no. my gosh. his father signed the declaration of independence. >> next you'll tell me george washington really told a lie one time. >>...

Agreed with the most a month ago, but today he is number three behind mitt romney and he admitted debates are not his thing. kerry dann covers the perry campaign and joins us from nevada. good day to you. as we look at the perry campaign, as they are now concentrating on the debate tonight what does he need do differently. >> one thing that i think rick perry needs to do is bring energy to his debate performance. his advisers say last week's debate in hanover, new hampshire, wasn't a poor performance for him but critics said he seemed lethargic or he wasn't honing in on his points. he did some...