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She's a member of the cia external advisory committee. and ben ming barber, who also worked with saif gadhafi and promoting democratic reforms in libya. do you support a no-fly zone? >> i support any effort i think will work to overthrow the gadhafi regime. and the question is, will this work to help or will it hurt? and i have in my imagination the possibility of images of civilians on the ground killed in an attempt to suppress anti-aircraft fire by american planes. now dead, muslim arabs, killed by american pilots in a good cause but without result. i have in the mind the possibility of ame...

Leader. you knew he wasn't crazy. you don't know that in this case. there's so many more unknowns in this case, yet the president did go out and say he has to leave. and now we're sort of waiting. we're in limbo. u.s. intelligence is not very good on the ground. having watched tunisia and the people toppling over the leader, they assume the people would topple gadhafi. they didn't have a plan if it didn't happen. now they've been scrambling. >> yeah. i'm not sure they did have necessarily great intelligence on what's going on in libya right now. but it's clear that gadhafi and his troops that ...

>> john, the only thing i can remember is history, and i remember it -- people say this isn't going to happen, but i remember in 1964 out here in the cow palace in california in san francisco where moderate republicans were booted out of the room. people like nelson rockefeller, the behavior by the crazy republican party who eventually nominated a guy who wasn't crazy but appealed to the crazies, barry goldwater, really happens. i can see the tea party people led by bachmann storming into tampa in 2012 and demanding a platform which calls for second amendment remedies, right to carry at politi...

Part of the game is going to be about, you know, getting the independents. this is not going to help them get the independents. >> john, the only thing i can remember is history, and i remember it -- people say this isn't going to happen, but i remember in 1964 out here in california in san francisco where moderate republicans were booted out.ç room, people like nelson rockefeller, the behavior by the crazy republican party who ev t eventually nominated a gar who wasn't crazy but appealed to the crazies, barry goldwater, really happens. i can see the tea party people led by bachmann storming...

Partiers what, due think about the tea party, 56% said they are way too extreme and only 17% said they shared their values, so they drive away independents when, you know, part of the game is going to be about, you know, getting the independents. this is not going to help them get the independents. >> john, the only thing i can remember is history, and i remember it -- people say this isn't going to happen, but i remember in 1964 out here in the cow palace in california in san francisco where moderate republicans were booted out of the room. people like nelson rockefeller, the behavior by the ...