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Said public figure are so numb to the truth they do not recognize it. and there's a certain regime where you go back and read -- i'm not going to say -- >> the early '30s. >> no. no. that's offensive. usually you get these writings from 1938, 1939, it wasn't early '30s where they literally talk about. back up you could say this about -- you could say this about erdogan, you could say that about -- what's happening across the globe, you know, in russia. you could talk about what's happening in hungary, the philippines, this is what strong men, ha this what autocrats do. they keep lying and shoo...

Of the clinton administration, all the spending has grown faster than inflation as well and defense alone. 50 to 70% adjusting for inflation and so we have to go to those tax levels across the board and less government spending and everyone is going to have to get less than government and pay more. and hopefully we can do it over a long period and not cause an overnight collapse. >> scott, do you agree with that? >> brenda, i think jonas brought up something important, the balanced budget of the clinton years, it wasn't early, brenda, when he hiked taxes in 1993 on corporations and high income...