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The president has colluded. and now we're moving into other issues. we're moving into his businesses. we're moving into obstruction. we're moving into things this wasn't first about. so if trump pushes this into a legal fight and keeps it there, that's probably to his advantage because people go --. >> even past the election, the midterm? >> look, to whatever advantage they can keep it there as opposed to making a political fight and talking about this every day in terms of actual collusion, i think it's better for them. >> it's true the polls are showing that the public is sort of moving in t...

Wasn't first about. so if trump pushes this into a legal fight and keeps it there, that's probably to his advantage. to whatever advantage they can keep it there and not make it a political fight where they talk about collusion, i think, is better. >> the fact that this has gone on, you're saying, 14 months, look, richard nixon complained that this was going on for a year and they haven't found anything. well, of course, they did find something. just because it's been 14 months doesn't mean they aren't going to find something. we don't know yet. i think we need to wait and see what they actual...