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Crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. >> that certainly is the original problem yes. >> the president didn't hack? >> he didn't pay them for hacking. >> as you know it led other places. if you got the hacked information from the russians ats cnn and played it, would you be in jeopardy of going to jail? of course not. >> the meeting with the russians, how can you be sure if the president didn't know beforehand? you're saying it was a he said he said. >> nobody can be sure of anything. a situation like this, you have two things that argue again...

Tweet on a president of united states as an article of impeachment. go read the law reviews, it's scary. >> manafort's trial is starting tomorrow. >> they have no incriminating information about the president. they can squeeze him. with with him for four months. paul manafort was a brilliant gatherer of delegates. >> he was chairman but he wasn't jared and the sons and these other people were really running it but okay, but paul -- >> you're saying that he didn't have power? >> i'm not saying that. he had a very discreet important area. he was never involved in intimate business relationships ...

He was obviously very close to his dad, very affected by his dad going to prison. i know you're not a shrink, but how much of this is behind everything -- >> i'll tell you what some people have told me. one person i spoke to earlier this week said to me, the ultimate goal here is to get a pardon for his father. he's very close to his father. he used to visit him every single weekend when he was a young guy and his dad was away. the fact that he ousted christie and all of the christie allies within the first week of the transition, i think, tells you a little bit about how serious he is about r...