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Whether or not this is something that's impeachable, this is high crime, a misdemeanor that deserves the treatment that that entails. >> wasn't lying one of the articles of impeachment -- >> yes, but i think what we also still want to know is underlying all of this, what were the russians trying to do? and mueller may be getting closer to that through this investigation, which is if there was no collusion, if there was no conspiracy, what were the russians attempting to do by there -- with their contacts with people either in the transition -- >> and that's been the thing about these documents...

As well, clearly ending these investigations was front and center for the president. >> so you cannot force the president testify in this investigation? >> no, the problem here is you can certainly subpoena him and he can plead the fifth and say i'm not going to provide that kind of testimony. in the end as gloria said, this is going to be something that's going to be a political issue. robert mueller will conclude his investigation, will draw up all the facts that he's got prepared for and send it over to congress. and then the politicians will have to make a decision as to whether or not thi...