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And then you really want to drive them crazy, go to #third term #fourth term. you'll drive them totally crazy. >> the "pittsburgh post gazette" is reporting that shell and its contractors gave the audience full of union workers a choice, the choice of either showing up for the president's speech or taking the day off without pay. the event was classified as a training session. the workers' attendance wasn't mandatory, it wasn't mandatory, but if they wanted to get paid for that day, they'd have to show up at 7 a.m. and scan their cards, stand for hours with no lunch and listen to a guest speak...

I hope the church, all the church will listen to and embrace and i hope it will signal the change that many of us have hoped for. >> you framed that a little differently than i had been thinking of it. i was thinking, okay, dropping celibacy might mean the recruitment of additional priests. which i thought of as on organizational good. but you framed it as a capacity to provide eucharist. so you framed it as a sacred good. >> absolutely, you've got it. >> i think that most observers believe it is dogma, that celibacy has always been part of the catholic church doctrine. is that not true? >> th...