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Fall and we would all be saying president biden caused the afghan government to collapse. so i think as you said biden made mistakes here. but i think when we think through the actual choices that they faced, i don't think there was an exit from afghanistan that wasn't messy. >> one of the criticisms has been, frankly, that the prior administration as well as i assume this administration was kind of slow walking or at least the prior administration was slow walking and this administration didn't really pick it up, the speed of processing the applications. because you talked to republican and d...

Problem? the big problem. the immediate problem is that we're not evacuating not only americans but also the afghans who worked with the united states military and ngos and the media. um, in recent years. and you say well we should have evacuated them before the military withdrawal. but actually, when you think that through, you realize it was just absolutely impossible. in fact, it was a request of the afghan government that we not evacuate them. if the biden administration had begun evacuating thousands or tens of thousands of afghans before the government fell, it would have led the governm...