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Many networks reported it was scandalous and he was trying to hold back the information as to what the conversation was. in fact, sondland had testified in the secret chamber the reason he said wasn't nefarious. he didn't want to continue typing. and ambassador taylor last week confirmed once they got on the phone together that sondland reported there was no quid pro quo. there were reports that text was going to be the smoking gun. and the reason why you didn't know that all those sondland had testified is because it's happening in secret and, jake, it should not be happening in secret. >> ok...

Roger stone did have direct twitter messages with wikileaks. >> yeah, they even posted screen shots that suggest there's some sort of exchange between stone and wikileaks. stone said he cut it off and there wasn't nefarious about the exchange. but stone is one of the ultimate political dirty tricksters. he has a tattoo of richard nixon on his back. >> which is true. >> that is not an expression. >> that is actually true. >> that is not a figure of speech. he actually has a tattoo of nixon on his back. that he's someone who has come up through republican circles. he was involved during the geor...

But, look, i think it's entirely possible that what he said wasn't nefarious. it was awkward and i think he was probably trying to say, you know, look, these people are heroes. when they join the military, especially if they're in special forces like the green berets, when they are called up, they know that they may not come back. and that's a heroic thing. and i think we need to honor that. but -- >> i guess my question is i don't know that this would even be in the public discussion like it is and certainly in the ten or that it is had the president himself not used it as a way to deflect fr...

Donald trump. i think it's possible, what he said wasn't nefarious i think it was awkward. i think he was trying to say, look, these people are heroes. when they join the military, especially when they're in special forces like the green b barretts, when they are called up they know they're there's a possibility they wouldn't come back. >> i don't know that this would be in the public discussion like it is had the president himself not used it in a way to deflect from a question he could have answered easily. and instead deflect by going off former presidents for what he characterized -- >> we...

Really talented foreign policy representative for our country. i will say, though, in this meeting if it wasn't nefarious in any way and no one is making that leap, but the president again it might have been an inattention to detail, a lack of care for the way things are done but president trump exposed himself and our country in that meeting by going in there without a translator on our side, by going in there privately and now leaving putin with his own ability to translate what happened in there. he exposed himself. he does it all the time. and you wonder what he's thinking. up next in the ...