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Kind of person who would be running someone like manafort or would manafort be trying to deliver for donald trump? donald trump had an insatiable desire for input from his campaign deputies and there were never many at one time. he went through a lot but there were never many at one time. do you think this was the kind of arrangement and do you think mueller is probing this to figure out which direction it went? >> i don't see kilimnik handling the asset wait you would classically think of an espionage operation. however, kilimnik does have ties to russian intelligence and it's possible the ru...

Entirety of the american people, not just democrats? >> the memo here involving michael flynn, it's clear again from bob costa and phil rucker's piece that's something that concerns a lot of republicans as well. you look at what's enumerated there and she sat down with the special counsel, 17, 19 times, that's a lot of times with federal prosecutors. yes, a lot of that was redacted, but help us understand how concerned folks should be what was not in to our eyes the memo about michael flynn? >> well, i think the administration should be more and more concerned not only based on what we have le...

And they were page ands pages long. so it wasn't 400 pages of information. and i think what wasn't redacted was targeting and thing thez found as it related to carter page were conclusions without the facts because those facts were redacted. it is hard to pass judgement from one way or another from a document that we didn't see what the court saw. but i get senator rubio's point that, look, if the russians are targeting carter page and they believe that he was vulnerable or that there was some vulnerability there, sure, that may be something they want to consider. but let's not forget the one ...

He was afraid he would be charged with espionage here. it's a crime that i think has a political connotation to it because of course a state is interpreting on its own how it sees its interests and how it sees them harmed. here you have a particular problem with iranian-americans who are not entering iran on a visa. they enter iran on an iranian passport. so they're also treated as iranian citizens. and they're not given the same kind of consul access. >> all right. but let's go from the subtle to the more severe on this. i'm not supporting the allegations that we're referring to about glen gr...