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True. but we often learn that people we revere for their role ine history were deeply flawed death. and there is actual evidence that he was deeply flawed, he was a philanderer, we can say that. >> i think having extramarital affairs is very different from watching someone -- >> tucker: i agree with that completely. but i'm just saying should we define, should we define a man's life by his worst moments, or should we take three steps back and assess his place in the sweep of history? i making the case on behalf of thomas jefferson as well as martin luther king, could the standard apply to both...

Different heroes in american history dethroned and in some cases their statues knocked over because we learned they were flawed in their personal lives. thomas jefferson, great example. i'm assuming all of this is tru true. should it change how we view martin luther king andn his role in american history, should we knock his statues down, i don't think we should. >> i think you would be making a mistake to make the assumption that this is true. all of his articles, you he tro write this for many publications, including "the washington post," they all rejected it because the evidence wasn't sol...

We often learn that people we revere for their role in history are deeply flawed. and there is actual evidence that king was deeply flawed and was a philanderer. i think we can say that. >> i think having extramarital affairs is very different than watching someone be raped. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. i'm just saying should we define -- i just think the principle is worth standing up for. should we define a man's life by his worst moments or should we take three stepping back and assess his place in the sweep of history and i'm making the case on behalf of thomas jefferson as wel...

Some cases literally statues knocked over thomas jefferson great example. does this, i'm assuming all of this is true because we knew some of it before. should it really change how we view martin luther king in his role in american history? should we knock his statues down because of this? i don't think we should. >> again, tucker. i think you would be making a mistake to make the assumption this is true. david garo, as a matter of fact, all of his articles, you know, we tried to write this for many publications, including the guard on, the atlantic, "the washington post," they all rejected it...

By mueller that wasn't solid. pleas, indictments and the conduct of this trial was outstanding. i'm not saying the defense wasn't doing a lot of really good legal work, but the team that he put together is amazing in the of courtroom. they had a very difficult time with the same judge you would have judge me who interfered during the case, scolded the prosecutor in the courtroom, and then basically misrepresented the law when he said, well, if that loan wasn't granted, why don't you go -- >> why don't you spend more time on something important? >> that's not the law. >> it's unusual. >> they s...