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About what trump administration policy would be. if there's not evidence of that, there's no collusion. this is not rocket science. >> yes. but he did say, "when i was at the meeting. c ." there was a caveat there. at no part was there any talk about the campaign when i was at the meeting. >> that's what clever lawyers do. >> are these clinton lawyers? >> i think he was advised by jamie garelik at some point. i don't know who's been serving as his counsel with regard to this. people with experience. >> go ahead, john, is that you? >> no, it's me, michael. >> go ahead, michael. jamie garelik wa...

Meeting. it's not clear to me that it has been put to bed by kushner's statement. it may well be that he didn't read the line, though that's a little bit problematic for me to believe, but it may be so. and it may be so that he only stuck around for a few minutes of the meeting then asked for an excuse to leave. doesn't mean that the meeting wasn't substantive, that the manila folder that was supposedly delivered wasn't delivered. they didn't talk about sanctions and they didn't talk about opposition research that they may have. so he didn't put to bed the problems that that meeting creates. w...

Assistant to call my phone so i can, you know, get out of the meeting. he came up with a ruse or with an escape plan. do you believe, john, he didn't read the subject line of that? is he hanging his brother-in-law out to dry? >> it is difficult to have escaped that subject line. it's not impossible, but it's certainly difficult. and i think, i'm sure he was warned that he's in jeopardy if he gives false statements even though he's not sworn before that committee. so i suspect he was very careful. and we don't know how long he was in and out. we'll have to hear from the other witnesses as to du...

During the meeting seems to be cross-corroborated with what donald jr.'s recollection was which is that they thought the meeting was one thing, it turned tout be something else once they figured out it was a waste of their time, that was the end of it. again, let's go back to the fact this didn't roll out in an expert way previously. what jared kushner did today reflected good preparation by lawyers in materials of how to stage manage this, put together a good first statement in writing with 11 pages with detail. you know, that's how professionals handle this. the investigation, though, ultima...

Well before that "new york times" article last week when the president expressed his displeasure and threw him under the bus i guess the first time, if you will. so they've not spoken. anthony scaramucci, the new communications director, told our sara murray this afternoon, th thatti that, look, they need to have a face-to-face conversation, they need to essentially work this out and have a discussion going forward, but the president would, of course, have to call that meeting and he's not yet done so, don. >> laura, i want to read a bit more from the "post" reporting, saying "replacing sessio...