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Meeting with jared kushner, paul manafort and donald trump, jr. at trump tower, that is the most secure building in the world, without knowing who you're meeting with. >> jason miller, what about that? it does seem hard to imagine that somebody can get into trump tower without their name being -- i went there to do interviews. you've got to give your name in advance. >> well, to answer your most immediate question, look, this was a period in the campaign. i think i joined two weeks later. i think brian joined a month later or so, where they had not ramped up and there wasn't the level of sophi...

That? it does seem hard to imagine that somebody can get into trump tower without their name being -- i went there to do interviews. you've got to give your name in advance. >> well, to answer your most immediate question, look, this was a period in the campaign. i think i joined two weeks later. i think brian joined a month later or so, where they had not ramped up and there wasn't the level of sophistication you would expect at that point there would be for a general election candidate. i have to take a step back. there are a couple of things with all the hubbub surrounding this. if the time...

Giving reports on policy and where we were going. none of those, i would say, involve detailed operational discussions. that wasn't the level. it was, are we coming together, do we have companies, do we have plans. >> sure. i understand that. obviously, when it comes to the president of the united states, certain level of details you have to see at the 10, 20,000-foot overview. in terms of the functionality, he was legitimately caught off guard? >> well, i assured him that we were ready to go. everyone knew with a big plan that there were likely to be some big problems. no one anticipated this...