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Saying that the only way to secure the border is to build this wall. everyone else is arguing that you need border security and you need an overall comprehensive immigration reform package. the democrats now have the leverage coming in, taking congress, to push the president to come to the table and do a comprehensive package. >> how does this get resolved, though? a comprehensive package, i would like to argue, it takes time. and it takes real pressure, and it takes not, you know, looking at it now, a divided congress coming in, how does this get resolved ini don't see this because i would ha...

Decided to undermine the process and move. the problem right now, is in political deals, you have to have incentive to give. and trump thinks he's winning because this plays to his base. >> do you think he's winning. >> let me turn the table around. everyone is saying it's trump and the trump base and the right. chuck schumer and the left, all they're hearing is don't give trump any victory or anything. oppose the wall. they're saying nothing. how could chuck schumer say you're not getting anything for the wall, period? how is that negotiating in good faith? the president has dropped his ask. ...

And they're just feeling very demoralized and angry, to be honest. >> anna, there's been a question of who owns the shutdown. i had a political debate about it earlier in the show. it was the republicans saying, it's the democrats, they're absolutely not compromising at all when it comes to this one issue of border security. the democrats say that obviously president trump owns it, he's staying on this talking point of just a border wall and he's also of course said he would be proud to shut the government down. when it comes to what your members are looking at, who owns this? >> well, it's ha...

In the last year. i do think this corker fight, all right, maybe that's a little juvenile. but i think the president is right on border security. i think most people agree that we do need that. it's part of it, not the whole thing. >> when you look at polling, not most people agree you need a wall. polling shows, what is it, like around 30%. >> i think people think the immigration system is broken. >> yes, there's that, but immigration system broken is different than the only solution is a border wall, right? >> it's part of it, not the only solution. not the only thing he's saying that needs ...

Are going to strike the deal? is it pence and pelosi who strike the deal? >> the white house has to -- >> i think that is part of the problem. is it donald trump and the freedom caucus who eventually figure out what they want and what they can agree to? i don't bow. >> mcconnell and schumer did strike a deal. the house was ready to do it, trump said no. so trump has to decide when is the pressure high enough on him that he has to give? and he will have to give because there's no incentive, there's no one in the democratic party and privately there's very few people in the republican party and ...