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Would mean separation. it was an unfortunate by-product. but as you and i have both reported, this was part of the plan. it was a plan to deter people from crossing the border. but there was no plan underneath this. jacob soboroff in may of this year reported about these technological issues. today, though, we see in black and white that they knew about this in advance and they knew it was a problem. there was finally a fix where they created a platform where you could drop down and say whether or not someone as a mother or a father or where the child was going. but that wasn't until august. t...

It was a plan to deter people from crossing the border. but there was no plan underneath this. and today though we see in black and white they knew about this in advance and they knew it was a problem. there was finally a fix where they created a platform where you could drop down and say whether or not someone was a mother or father and where the child was going but that wasn't until august, long after the policy ended. and as we're hearing from the aclu tonight because of those big flaws that could mean of the 5,500 children separated from the trump administration we know of, there could be ...

Surprising. we've seen reporting that the scope of this investigation has been broadening for a while. new people being brought in and targeted in this investigation. so, the idea that it would go to a grand jury conforms with all of that. but it does suggest that this is now moving into a new phase. and i think that's significant here. >> so, nick, what is the timeline? does this mean at the special counsel is at the beginning or the middle or the end of its investigation? >> there is no way to tell. these investigations can take a very long time. if you take the watergate investigation as an...