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case. people who had their campaigns funded by david macintosh and club for growth are not listening to him. they're not listening to former president trump so do they really have the influence that they think they have? >> yeah, chaos feeds on chaos, happy birthday, congressman. we'll go up to the capitol to manu raju and, manu, tell us about the key meeting of these rebels, of these conservative holeouts happening right now. tell us more. >> reporter: this can be a pivotal meeting. several members we are looking closely to see how they will vote are holed up in emmer's office, a me...

Doors and that all we're getting -- i asked him if you heard are you going to vote for kevin mccarthy here, he said, you know, not really a comment other than they're having private meetings behind closed doors and shows you how significant this moment is. the mccarthy team knows they have to get some support back from their side, go from the 20 opponents, maybe they can get down to 17, 18 or 19. some deal they can cut as they've been trying over the last day intensely. but it's not clear if they are they there. they're not committing right now. >> manu, because your connection isn't great, wh...