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Unfortunate reality that there are a lot of this kind of think bradley speaking where they do get paid for some sort of access. this is different from anything we have seen in ages partially a because we don't know what michael cohen's specialty was supposed to be and there are questions what exactly he was using all of this money for. as you say, there are all these questions going on in the trump world. let's not pretend a lot of it isn't basic swamp stuff that happens. the swamp hasn't been drained, it's extremely amplified in this. >> russian oligarchs, i think that's the distinction. it's...

Russia scandal. i think we have total convergence tonight. so thank you for doing that, michael. but, you know, to me the two things that stand out here, one, you were talking a minute ago about viktor vekselberg's american company columbus nova and the company saying that they're american. they have nothing to do with vekselberg. well, as it turns out, a year ago we at mother jones wrote about vekselberg in this company. at that time on their website they were listed as a subsidiary of renova, which is viktor vekselberg's company. so if you go back in the way back machine, you can find not to...

May have funneled money to michael cohen's llc. what's your reaction? >> well, first, i congratulate michael for crossing streams and bringing together the stormy daniels scandal with the trump russia scandal. i think we have total convergence tonight. so thank you for doing that, michael. but, you know, to me the two things that stand out here, one, you were talking a minute ago about viktor vekselberg's american company columbus nova and the company saying that they're american. they have nothing to do with vekselberg. well, as it turns out, a year ago we at mother jones wrote about veksel...

Accurate. what's happened, i think, is there are people who are in the news business, but they're not really in the news business, there in the political advocacy business and joy reid is an amazing political advocate. she has a lot of fans, she is very powerful. i want to read a tweet, i don't want to get the words wrong. this is from a clinton staffer who tweeted out today and unblocked me, make sure you are evaluating this situation through an intersectional lens. she's one of the most important black female voices on tv. thanks. she's lying. obviously, nobody wins in a way back machine to ...

He's a stand-up guy. we'll see how that works out. we're going to take a quick break, but first our way back machine. a quick look back at one of the most memorable lines on president bush's first state of the union address in 2002. >> states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world by se. by seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger.