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The nativist racial aspect of this, i think, is to ignore the reality of the success and appeal of this pitch to a conservative republican primary voting constituency. >> jim, you think she knew what she was saying when she said nullification in her position? and that rick perry knows what he means when he says secession? >> i don't think there's any question about it, chris. i don't think they're doing a very good job of hiding it. if you look at the crowds, they're not exactly diverse crowds out there. i take exception when the governor says we're part of the union. if we are, why is he sayi...

Welcome back to "hardball." that was sarah palin at a rally down in texas for governor rick perry. he's in a big primary fight down there. what's the deal with the cheers at the mere mention of the word secession in that crowd? what's going on in texas? wayne legislator covers politics for the "dallas morning news." author james moore is also with us today. he wrote "bush's brain between them." let's go first of all to wayne. why would there be an instantaneous, instinctive cheer with enthusiasm and glee for the word secession in texas? >> absolutely. that's amazing. as you say, it got a bigge...