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Professional relationship with the opponent of the person you are investigating, that's about whether they should've disclosed that conflict of interest and whether bob mueller should've vetted his team more before he embarked on the most important investigation in a generation. >> i would say the reason we know these political contributions is because they were disclosed. >> well, they're reportable contributions. >> fair enough. >> thank you for coming on and sharing your view. joining me now john and jennifer. okay. jennifer, i will start with you. and respond either personally as a membe...

In terms of the public awareness of what happened and how it conforms to the law or not. the president likes to have his poster that said the mueller report took this many days, cost this much money, this, that, and the other. well, we have a corresponding contradictory chart. mueller investigation by the numbers, $40 million recovered for the u.s. government. remember, he said how much it would cost? less than that. 37 people and entities charged with crimes, 25 ongoing criminal cases referred, seven convicted including five top trump campaign officials. and then he had no collusion, no this ...

Happen, and this is going to blow up trump. and stuff is going on behind the scenes. mueller is putting together a massive map of the obstruction and the russian collusion and something's going to happen. and there's going to be indictments, and, man, trump is scared and the white house is terrified. and mueller came out with a report, he did not -- he could not establish a line of connection between the russians and the trump campaign. and then he did not feel comfortable saying that justice was obstructed each thouven tho says that's because the olc says you couldn't indict a president. that...

Ends up walking that back. >> i think there were several examples of that today. and just to be clear the olc's opinion is of course a factor, the one that says you can't indict a sitting president. but it is not the situation that the team decided that donald trump committed crimes but they couldn't say so because of the olc opinion. quite the contrary. what the report says and what mueller made clear a couple of times at the hearing today is that having marshaled the potential obstruction of justice examples, they deliberately said we can't even decide whether these constitute a crime becaus...

But they set a whole different standard of law. the presumption of innocence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt. now we are talking about proving exoneration which is essentially innocence. and the folly of that is in chairman nadler's opening statement. i think there were at least four double negatives when he asked questions to bob mueller right out of the gate. they were so confusing to follow, i couldn't follow them. >> how concerned are you about russian interference? >> i think we should talk about it. >> i am concerned about any interference in our election. but i don't like it being u...