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Resources, no matter how little, that iran would get access to, that they could divert the terrorist activity would cause harm to jews and others around the world. i worry we have to make sure that the monitoring is really as gap free as possible. but, with all of that, in looking at those concerns, and even still having them, it was imperative to me to make a decision, afrmths, based on, is there a better alternative. in thoroughly using our banking system to wrestle our allies and iran back to the negotiating table for a so-called better deal. no one presented me with any evidence that-to-sh...

In the one of the studios. i apologize you guys. is it your fault, fred? always your fault. you're always the troublemaker in all of this, fred? >> i know. i know. so what's your point? jenna: that we really enjoy having you on the program. it is not a distraction at all. but, fred, based on -- >> saved by the bell. jenna: based on what robert has to say what is really the path forward? as far as looking to make the system more secure for all of us which we would hope would be the point, is this where we should invest the time and energy? >> well, i think it should be kind of a multifaceted ap...

A person transited across the rubicon from someone with very hot ideas, very jihadist views, into someone who is building bombs? >> well -- >> there's no evidence of anything to do with that in terms of their traffic back and forth to russia. they weren't carrying any contraband. there was no evidence of them attempting to get help, apparently not, was there, of them trying to get help to build a bomb? the violence they caused, the killing is why we're talking about them. not their attitudes. i guess it's hard to figure out the genesis of those decisions to switch from an attitude to a killing...

Trying to work out, what do i say not to get into trouble here? >> what's the correct answer? like 4 trillion years old. is that what scientists say? 80 trillion -- >> 4.5 billion. >> 4.5 billion years old based on -- >> you know what carl sagan would say -- >> i think it's like 4.5 billion. >> yeah. plus or minus. >> based on, again, willie, my teaching up at m.i.t. >> yeah, exactly. >> spreading the knowledge -- >> we've run the numbers. >> we have a computer -- >> with our bookky. >> we've run the numbers. >> sam stein, please stay with us. >> i'll think about it. >> we've got it laid out o...