A person transited across the rubicon from someone with very hot ideas, very jihadist views, into someone who is building bombs? >> well -- >> there's no evidence of anything to do with that in terms of their traffic back and forth to russia. they weren't carrying any contraband. there was no evidence of them attempting to get help, apparently not, was there, of them trying to get help to build a bomb? the violence they caused, the killing is why we're talking about them. not their attitudes. i guess it's hard to figure out the genesis of those decisions to switch from an attitude to a killing...