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Veneer cracks a bit and you have real conflict and real tumult, those have always been part of american history and they aren't desirable, and it's okay to say they're bad. i'm concerned about polarization too. but the language of civil war is designed to evoke this much more extreme, frankly, hysteria and concern and much more extreme response. and if you look at the united states right now, right, like yes, we have deep polarization, deep divides. we often seem to live in alternative universes. but what actually drives civil wars? we aren't regional divided. we're actually less ethnically di...

They're bad. i'm concerned about polarization too. but the language of civil war is designed to evoke this much more extreme, frankly, hysteria and concern and much more extreme response. and if you look at the united states right now, right, like yes, we have deep polarization, deep divides. we often seem to live in alternative universes. but what actually drives civil wars? we aren't regional divided. we're actually less ethnically divided than we were ten years ago because the republican party is winning more black and hispanic votes. >> you also point out in your article that the definitio...