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A different time here as well. the catholic church here was still going through very much the sex abuse crisis. and that was something that benedict had to really deal with. so it was almost a much more serious trip when pope benedict was here with respect to the kind of air we're breathing now. >> father beck, you talked about that speech he made before becoming pope. he criticized self-referential tendency toward what he termed narcissistic -- and he talked about the catholicism careerism and backfiring. delia, has he been able to make inroads in that? >> well, yes. although it's very diffic...

The united states it's amazing that he is here and people are very, very excited. about 2.5 million catholics, jim, in new york city and the surrounding counties. the arch diocese of new york. and then people i assume they're watching television they want to get a glimpse of the pontiff. >> watching television and lining those parade routes. and not just catholics but certainly catholics particularly excited, i'll admit i'm one of them. and it's been interesting the last week, wolf, i've been speaking to catholics who left the church an estimated 3 million catholics left the church since 2007....

We're at 56th and fifth avenue, about a block north of where you see the pope mobile sitting waiting for the pontiff to arrive but basically in the midst of a huge crowd. these are people that came to this spot because this is the closest they could get without tickets and they are commented to sticking it out not only for the pope's arrival but through service later tonight but really, this is a global event on this street corner in man the hatten. we're speaking to people from all over the world who came here, not just across the country but argentina people, france, mexico, all over catholi...

Let's work together toward the spread of the gospel. let's stop fighting with one another. if i hope for anything, i hope that we catholics can move beyond. seems like we're our own worst enemy to move beyond the internal battle to do the work of the lord in serving the the poor and giving people joy and showing people mercy. i think it's present but i'm hoping for the grace of god through this holy father that we can move beyond that. >> reverend, one of the things that pope said in the past, not on this trip but not past is he wants pastors to be shepherds who smell of the flock, who smell o...

People lining the streets. they have not been through metal detectors. they have not been through that level of security. we'll see if the pope does stop on his way here to st. patrick's. he choses areas and they preselected on other side, some school children on one side and workers who have been involved in the refurbishing of st. patrick's cathedral. >> they have all gone through metal detectors and leaving nothing to chance and as you know, anderson, even though u.s. officials repeatedly say they are not aware of any specific direct threat against the pontiff, there is a general threat isi...