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Stories especially from some of our members of move on. look, i do believe democrats need to continue to fight. they need to continue to hold this president accountable. and here's the thing. the president can end this. he can. he's holding these folks hostage for a policy, for a failed policy. >> some are writing this will force democrats so vote against extension of the violence against women act, dems say no. maybe isn't the best headline for your party. >> here's the thing. if we cave in to this shutdown, if democrats cave in and give the president what he wants, which is really what he wa...

Sir, yet it seems as though if you look towards the american people and how it plays out it always seems to be that the republicans are being blamed for mucking things up for lack of a better term. >> you know if we start to focus on who gets the blame and not doing what we have been elected to do, the people back home in north carolina and across the country have said we want to send you to congress not only to find solutions, but to represent us. the speaker said he was going to fight this tooth and nail. we need -- >> did the speaker fight hard enough in your opinion? >> the speak sr in a t...

Made it. that is, he's going to put a bill on the floor that he knows will pass with democratic votes and probably with a few republican votes. but he's just delaying when the moment of truth is and that he actually has to put that bill on the floor and face his republican colleagues who think a shutdown is the way to victory. >> congressman it seems that the senate is trying to move past the habit of governing by crisis, but the house seems to remain attracted to it like a moth to a flame. why is the house still attracted to governing by crisis? >> well i think there's two things. i think, on...

Bill: 22 before the hour. the testimony getting more emotional in the fort hood case. one witness says the crime scene was the worst he had ever seen. that's a member of the u.s. military talking there. martha: republicans take on fellow republicans over the best way to fight obama-care and those on the left are paying attention to how this is playing out. what liberals are gearing up to do on their side. >> you mean to suggest we are not going to fight and we shouldn't fight because we are so afraid of being blamed for it? this is how we get into this mess when we say we are afraid the other ...