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I'm joined now by retired united airlines captain roy liggett, who racked up a long career flying 777s. and don deckett, formerly with "the washington post." first to you, don, let's say we never find out what happened to this plane, which seems impossible in this day and age. but let's say we don't. are there lessons we have already learned? somebody said to me every time there is a plane crash and it is not often, but every time there is something changes, what do we know now. >> well, we know a couple of things. one thing we know is that there are areas of the world where things can disappe...

Is no real method of calculations functioning very well. >> one of the things the commander also mentioned was the satellite pictures that we're seeing. and okay, they could show us a collection of stuff. but they can't really show us what that stuff is. because i wanted to ask you about these satellite pictures. because there is a lot of questions when you see them. they're kind of fuzzy. you can't really tell. i want to compare this to something else which is a satellite picture of the osama bin laden compound in pakistan. that, you can see trucks. you can see housing. and i'm told a lot of ...

Down. you have to understand, when we do the emergency ascents, and they're fun to practice, by the way in the airplane. we're close to 20,000 feet. which is a streamline brick. he is getting out of the way. so that is a perfectly plausible explanation. >> don, i'm going to give the last question to you. and that is over all of your many years covering aviation for the post, have you ever seen anything quite like this, is this a one-off? >> it is not exactly that. it has gone on longer than many have. but unfortunately, the press in general, tv in particular, and now that many of us have left ...

Any reaction from the cia to your floor speech? are you on speaking terms? is there a back and forth? >> oh, yes, we're on speaking terms, we just had a very good hearing on syria thursday and we will be doing other things, arrest weas well. we are in the process of doing a further investigation on all the intelligence programs of this country. the irony is that the nsa, the program for data collection is the most overseen program that we have. and there are thousands of other programs that need a look at and need some method to track them, follow them, evaluate them. and that is our next big ...