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14 years old and brought back to his townhouse again and again. thanks for being with us. let me ask first about how jennifer is doing and especially in the wake of the apparent jaw side of jeffrey epstein. >> well, you know, jennifer is somewhat angry that mr. epstein's no long eer alive to face justice. she was looking forward to having him account for himself in a court of law both criminally and civilly. so there's some frustration about that that he's no longer here so that she can look at him and see him face the full weight of the criminal justice system. but at the same time she's comm...

Him. >> given that the he will never be brought into a court of law, what does justice look like for her? >> principally two ways. one, she still has for herself the ability to sue the estate of jeffrey epstein to get compensation for the injuries that she suffered. you saw her just the tape how -- how badly she was hurt by this. she -- one of the ways in which our system delivers justice is through -- is through civil penalties. and compensation to her would be one way for her to get a measure of justice. but equally important, jennifer wants to see the enablers around him be held accountable...

Name additional individuals. and the way in which we're going to approach that question is not necessarily who did jennifer have direct contact with. we are going to look at individuals who, through their effort, helped maintain the ring, helped maintain it administratively, helped perpetuate it, help keep it secret. so those individuals, in our judgment, under a conspiracy theory would have culpability to jeb fer as we jennifer as well as other victims. >> what kind of efforts are you talking about? >> i'm sorry what? >> you said, you know, through their efforts they were able to keep this al...

We're learning about the first civil suit being filed against his estate. it alleges maxwell and the other staffers conspired with each other to facilitate her sexual abuse a abuse and rape. she has denied accusations against her. she spoke to savannah guthrie last month about her hope for justice. >> he -- he -- he hurt me badly. i not to go through this. so, you know, this is one way for me to get justice. >> joining me now, daniel kiser, and attorney for jennifer who says she encountered maxwell outside her school when she was