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Like, i guess, are you worried about that? or do you view that as fundamentally such a political mistake that ends up being kind of self defeating? >> well, they're doing it in contrast, and after two years of the january 6th investigations. and americans, as they've watched those serious sober investigations, where almost every witness, you know, was from the republican party, they saw what a responsible investigation looks like. and now, as we lurch into a republican majority, they're going to see, as i said, chaos. and the voters rejected chaos at the ballot box. election deniers lost all o...

China. that's not a bad thing. we are not going to be able to resolve this diplomatically until we can get all four actors at the table together. as far as of the secrecy goes, i think it's just habit more than anything else. it makes no sense to try and hide it from the world. >> so how do you sort of view this in the context of the president sort of unilaterally saying, yeah, i'm going to meet with the north korean leader, i want to do it by may. can you give us a sense of how this will sort of play into that effort? do you think that that is something you believe would be the right move for...

Battle started around the talks of affordable care act. the debt ceiling and those looming -- as we lurch from crisis to crisis, that's terrible for the economy. the business world does not want to go through that again. we talked about the medical device tax. and the tea party split with conservative republicans on that because they weren't interested in protecting the interests of businesses associated with the medical device tax. that was their split when they were to have this united front. this thing has been bubbling over for some time now. and one of the consequences of this kind of bat...

Institution institutionalize basically a water torture for the country where we would be going through this potentially month after month after month. >> yeah. jared, it was reported today that the country saw another drop in unemployment claims. the housing market as we have discussed before is showing small signs of recovery. auto sales are up. doesn't going through a debt ceiling hostage crisis, as john says, every month only threaten the very recovery that we're now starting to experience? >> exactly. and that's the thing that from an economic perspective and a fiscal perspective i think i...

smith, who's leaving "politico" for buzzfeed. what is that? and a look back at our most provocative interviews of 2011. i'm howard kurtz, and this is the christmas day edition of "reliable sources." it's been a better year for scandal. some sleazy, some superficial, all devoured by the media. perhaps the most chilling came from the world of sports. first at penn state, then at syracuse university with popular coaches accused of horrendous acts. >> in retrospect, i -- you know, i shouldn't have showered with these kids. >> what's it? >> yeah, well, that's what hits me the most. >>...