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Discourse is so important to the education process. >> e-mack, it's happened before. we have been here before and not surprisingly at university of berkeley, back in the '60s and '70s when ronald reagan was governor, university of berkeley. >> one person was shot and killed. i don't think that's the reaction, it's about suppression. i don't know how you stop the rioting. the rioting is wrong, it's not good. there should be peaceful protest, we can support that, that's about the first amendment and free speech. the civil rights issue with the trans genders, that's a law, this is something else ...

We're about free speech. >> what gets me is the hypocrisy, it's okay when president obama can pull money when schools don't have transgender bathrooms, but when president trump says free speech, somehow that's terrible and evil. >> usually i'm on your side, i'm more with e-mack. first of all, it's misleading who is causing the damage. i think there was a very peaceful protest among students and as they have the right to do, and i think sort of, rather than sort of bullying the colleges, i would do sort of more of a jfk stance, to go to the universities and say i think you guys are grown-ups, w...

Private sector. we're not getting our money's worth. >> well, i mean, the problem is with, you know, donald is talking about his executive order. it seems like executive orders by etch-a-sketch where he's changing all the time. i mean, he has a lot of caveats in there for defense and military personnel and policing and so forth and then he's talking about investigations into the election because he's going to probably have to hire, you know, a lot of grave diggers to find out-- find the 3 million people that voted for hillary and not him. he's all over the place with this. david: e-mack, we ca...

This is atrocious and i'm glad to see finally somebody, likide for free speech. >> e-mack, a lot of our tax money goes into just the public universities alone, get $37 billion. shouldn't taxpayers have some say in how that money is spent. >> julie: . >> i hear what you're saying, i don't think that donald trump should be in picking and choosing which universities get money. it's an important point and mike brought it up. berkeley is saying, we're about free speech, our founding principles about the full spectrum of opinion. what happened here was 150 anarchists from the outside in blood hoods ...

The past eight years to 3 or 4% growth and that's what the country really needs right now. >> and sabrina, i don't think we ever need people who think of public service as a quick and easy way to get rich, right? i can't help it, but i'm thinking about the clintons, thinking about a lot of people that work with them and it happens with republicans as well. people who profit off of their public service? >> of course, david, you're referring to this revolving door we have here in washington where people go in and out of public service and they do get very rich. i think the one thing i do like ab...