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Responsibility for it. we saw lois lerner in a very self-serving way say i did nothing wrong but i will take the fifth amendment and not answer any of your questions. this is a agency that is arrow ban and out of control. we also found out this week, we ve been misled systematically. we ve been misled by lerner, shulman the director of the irs. we ve been misled by the white house. we ve been misled by members of congress in their role and all this is coming to the forethat will have corrosive effect over time on people s confidence in the government and the irs. jon: one observer told me, a person that brew up in illinois, this is chicago style politics brought to the white house. do you agree? i do. there is very interesting piece by kim strassel in the wall street journal which she makes the point of at the center of a lot of this is bob bower, the president s campaign counsel in 08 and in 12. meantime between those two times was the white house counsel. she shows how this is a ....
Thing. she was in charge of the tax-exempt unit over the last several years. her predecessor, who was there when the practices began in 2009 and 2010 is a woman named sarah hall ingram, who i believe in 2011 was promoted from the charge of being in charge of the tax-exempt unit to being in charge of the irs implementation of obamacare. we have two directors of this unit, lois lerner, the most recent director of the unit and her predecessor, sarah hall ingram who have a lot of explaining to do what happened on their watch. jon: if it had happened on your watch, you were a high level advisor to the previous president, if it had happened on your watch what would you be telling the president to do? mr. president, i m sorry, i m resigning and everybody else who ought to be held responsible for this ought to go. we didn t see that this week. we saw shulman, the irs commissioner at the time, basically saying, me no alamo. i didn t know what was going on. i m not going to apologizing for thi ....