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It is a serious thing to be -- to have testified falsely under oath. prosecutors salivate at cases far less consequential than this one. and in terms of the deputy attorney general, look, the next person in line to oversee the russian investigation that now that sessions recused himself is in a very precarious position. what they're asking him at a confirmation hearing that's signed to say, whether you're going to be objective and not come and try to enforce the laws with some type of political agenda, they're asking him now to guarantee how he will rule or try to enforce a particular case now...

Both. and they're caught in this game of twister and so they're right wing or i should say republican conservative base is unhappy because it doesn't completely abolish government support for people who need health care. moderate republicans are very upset because it will ultimately decimate medicaid and a lot of republican governors understand that and concerned about that. it's going to mean 10 million or 15 million people will lose their health coverage. and the interesting thing about it, don, is the people most likely to be hurt by this are low, middle income workers who have benefited fr...

>> i mean the country. no one should be pushed to ever believe something that's not true. if someone is telling you the truth, it's backed up by facts and by research. >> right. >> you are a person who is not divorced from reality and you have all your with its about you, you need to believe the truth. basically we are making excuses for people who are divorced from reality. i know that's hard to hear, but it's the truth. charles? >> it's not how i feel, but i'm just telling you -- >> maybe you should tell them. maybe you should present the facts to them when they say those things. i have peop...

For a guy like devon to say. >> striking thing if people believe it. selena, i know you coined this. but it makes no sense. when you're the president of the united states that people can't actually believe the words that come out of your mouth. i know to many trump voters that doesn't matter. that's not the entirety of the country and not the majority of the country. people want to believe what their president says and many people cannot. no one can. because it's actually not true and backed up by the evidence. >> well, i mean -- >> or facts. >> the hallmark of the presidency is to sort of sta...

As you know, i think a lot of that was maybe a little bit -- the multiple tweets were perhaps a little bit strung together. >> so but the white house is not backing down from their claim that they want an investigation. an investigation based on what, though? >> yeah. well, look. i think both things can be true. i think they can have no regrets and there can be no evidence, and we've seen that before. your panel mentioned earlier the comments he made over twitter about the 3 million to 5 million people who voted illegally and at that time the same pattern took place. the white house said, you ...