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The bottom line is you hope leaders will make moral decisions. what a difference it would have made if churchill was in office instead of chamberlain. it's a combination of judgment and having the information available and who is around you. >> it's an incredible book. >> it is. >> thank you very much for coming in and sharing the story with us. the book is "prague winter." thank you very much. it's great to see you again. >> wonderful to see all of you. >> come back. >> i will. >> have you read it, yet? >> it is on my bed stand. i have started it. i'm going to read this. i have it stacked up....

Nick. how is it possible for czechoslovakia to basically be betrayed by major powers and deals made over their heads and not standing up to evil. so, i did, in fact, i was affected by what people call the munich syndrome, to stand-up to things. >> that was for viewers, 1938, chamberlain goes to munich. >> what is story talks about more than i knew at the time was how many deals were made to appease hitler, to kind of feed the beast and to see whether it was possible to keep giving into him so he would not carry out his plans to conquer europe. that's where the word appeasement really was the s...

Decision parts. >> do you have a bit more understanding about how leaders could have made calculations seen as terrible by today's standards. you grow up. from the time you are born, adolf hitler has horns on. we vilify chamberlain has a foolish dupe. being in the position, with the weight of the world on your shoulders, do you sit there and give them a little more grace and say the rest of us who might just read about their mistakes? >> i do. i do. partially, it's based on trying to put yourself in their position in terms of information they have. jeff, you mentioned rwanda. it raised very he...