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Of course they first got a nuclear weapon, at least the reports i've seen was 2006, after the sanctions, of course, and under president george w. bush. >> that's right. we talked to deinfectors who worked on their missile program. i talked to the top propaganda minister who defected through china. they all indicated that the regime if it's faced with those types of sanctions cannot get the hard currency and cannot sustain the support. and so i would go back to what was tried briefly in 2005 because it just cuts off the flow of the hard currency they need to pay the army to do their weapons bui...

States is pretty much powerless against you. >> well, here's the problem. the problem is what we have done since the '94 framework agreement is not put the types of sanctions, financial sanctions on north korea except for 2005, when we took treasury's advice. and as a result -- >> so you think if we had the sanctions, it would have really worked? of course they first got a nuclear weapon, at least the reports i've seen was 2006, after the sanctions, of course, and under president george w. bush. >> that's right. we talked to deinfectors who worked on their missile program. i talked to the top ...

Worked? of course they first got a nuclear weapon, at least the reports i've seen was 2006, after the sanctions, of course, and under president george w. bush. >> that's right. we talked to deinfectors who worked on their missile program. i talked to the top propaganda minister who defected through china. they all indicated that the regime if it's faced with those types of sanctions cannot get the hard currency and cannot sustain the support. and so i would go back to what was tried briefly in 2005 because it just cuts off the flow of the hard currency they need to pay the army to do their wea...