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I don't even know where to begin with probably this, but likely we have someone who does. andy webber was obama's assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, or chemical, and biological defense. he was the person tasked with finding, removing, and destroying syria's chemical weapons. he's also visited the research labs in the ukraine, that are the subject of this new by weapons conspiracy narrative. joining us now is andy webber, he's a former assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, and biological defense programs, in the obama administration. andy, thank you for being with us to...

Finding, removing, and destroying syria's chemical weapons. he's also visited the research labs in the ukraine, that are the subject of this new by weapons conspiracy narrative. joining us now is andy webber, he's a former assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical, a biological defense program, in the obama administration. andy, thank you for being with us tonight. you've been to those lives in the ukraine that this fuss is all about. what are they? >> well, there are public health labs, mostly, there are similar to our centers for disease control, we have been working with them, no...