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That's the best we can help you. >> obviously that was not the intention, nor has it been my suggestion throughout the course since these shootings. what i talked about are broader things like mentoring. >> i hear you on that. they are part of the equation. they are just not a main variable. >> i disagree, chris. they are the biggest. if you look at the organizations that have come up from columbine, sandy is hook, they have been effective. they have actually saved lives. and if you look at the facts -- >> you're missing the point, rick. you just are. guns matter. access to the weapons matters...

Actually prevent these types of things. like rachel's challenge. or sandy hook's promise. and other organizations that have said what can we do in our community to, you know, promote mentoring, stop bullying, to be more aware of the problems. what i have seen happen here is avoiding the issues that are really actually unified. that's really the most disturbing things. >> it is a distraction from the single metric that distinguishes the united states of america from all other countries when it comes to guns. we have more guns. access to weapons matters. it seems like you and others on your side...