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Point directly to the insurers. you and i talked about in the green room -- >> that's what we said all along. >> is that what we've been saying? >> what are you talking about? you said 5 million now. the upside of more people losing their health insurance is much lower than the number who are going to get health insurance. >> incorrect. >> not according to congressional budget office. in the end, the numbers are -- >> oh, million, come on -- >> so risk corridor? only in washington can they come up with language like this. >> sounds like a stallone movie. >> the government gets you coming and g...

Disaster, you at least have to have a hearing. democrats will try to protect the president. >> don't you have to take some responsibility, though? >> they saw to embarrass -- >> we're going to t about it later on. >> fred upton has a bell coming on f in the crossfire tonight, democratic -- and republican representative james langford. let me start, california's about 37,000 people signed up for the california web side. but yesterday the commissioners of insurance indicated that a million californians are receiving notices that their insurance is terminated.

Polls since the obomba carrollout show kay hagen, who's up for reelection and vulnerable next year, losing ground dramatically. so i think this is one of these, don't you have a sense that the pressure is growing to find some answer to this? >> well, again, i'll begin by saying this web side or whatever, there's no reason, if you know it's coming up in three years to nod have you had that done correctly. i get angry when an amazon website freezes up, you know, when an airline web side freezes up so people have a right to be angry, and we need to fix it. my convex is how -- will it be done righ...

Disastrous roll-out. >> and the president now in dallas, he's going to do this event in support of the affordable care act, and meeting with some of those so-called navy gators, people who help folks sign up, right? >> reporter: that's right. i think it's a safe bet that we're going to hear the president, as we heard on monday night when he was speaking to the group of post-campaign volunteers, that he is basically acknowledging that there are problems with the web side, problems with the roll-out of obama care, but wolf, what would be very interesting to watch is whether or not the president ...

When add the new tax credits, that many people are eligible for through the law. >> prescribely there is concern. internal war room notes, and obtained by cnn, detailed worries that when the web side is up and running, there might be stick are shock and anger. in some cases there would be fewer options. and ideal shopping experience. additional in some cases there will be relatively high-cost plans. request for consumer to call in wasn't a way of bypassing the glitchy healthcare.gov website, why? because they use the same computer system. >> the point of the call-in