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This is what they've contributed to the debate. they've had a vast media network to deliver those "ideas." so this notion that they were out in the cold and nobody paid attention to them is so patently ridiculous. but, yeah, when we talk about their role in the current political process, it's to say no to everything. i mean, they voted no against supplemental funding for our troops in afghanistan. i mean, this is the kind of thing that they crucified democrats for doing back in the bush years, yet they have no compulsion about doing it now, because they know that they cannot vote for anything ...